Corey Wishnia. The real question is who is number 2?”“Neat fact about the B12 tv extension: the can open it up for renegotiation if they add a minimum of 2 schools that play in the pacific time zone. Big Papa RockChalkPac voted on SDSU and SMU again. I don’t hate the PAC. We aren’t privately funded like Stanford is. ”BY possibly has a 3rd media partner on board if Fox is a no go for adding $ for new additions. ConversationWe would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Sign upThe source that gave me this info said if Apple does pull out of PAC negotiations then it puts PAC in a very bad position and may have to settle for far less money than even the smallest estimates that have leaked. Likes. ”Pac voted on SDSU and SMU again. @MHver3. “@RChalk94 Governance would make the final call though. Replying to @MHver3. Could also mean ND is rethinking. Sign up“Called my source. ”“How BIgEast conference’s demise as a power conference is playing a role in Big12’s current thought process regarding expansion, tv contract, and GOR. 5% each. GK is currently trying to Frankenstein a mess of a deal with ESPN getting 1 FB game per week at about $5m per game and 3 BB games per week at about $1m per week. Top to bottom though this new B12 would be the best conference ever assembled. We currently get about $4m for that same content. If B12 adds the right 6 PAC schools it can see its yearly payouts go above that $35m per school number the way the current deal is structured. It did ok. 2. Replying to . UConn is still in the air as there could maybe be an all sports invite coming if the right circumstances occur but may be a bball only. MHver3 @MHver3. What I’m hearing on PAC media deal (or lack thereof) from a B12 source based on B12 talks with a PAC school. However UConn and Nova can make a case for being in that discussion. “@BobOThomson I mean it’d be a fun game to play on Saturdays 🤷🏻♂️. 2. and @JimUSFSig. The additional money you see with the total conference payouts includes bowls, CFP, ncaa. MHver3 @MHver3. ·. GK still only has the ESPN/Amazon offer of $22m per school. one president is telling B12 contacts that there is a feeling GK. OMG I was wrong. I’d be thrilled if Colorado and Arizona came in, regardless of whether any others did. “@AveCope Big12 believes it will be able to offer $36-40m with OR and WA plus control of Tier3 tv rights. ”“@mikednfl Absolutely. There are some trying to angle SDSU or even Fresno as an alt travel partner for Stanford but the metrics show Cal is actually more desirable to tv partners”Kliavkoff is still trying to leverage more $ from ESPN but they are so far apart (allegedly almost $200m per year) that some at ESPN have told people in the B12 that Kliavkoff seems to be either desperate or cluelessThings aren’t blowing up just yet…BUT…Colorado is having another meeting tomorrow to continue down the road of departing the PAC. March 7th. @MHver3. Sign up“Tonight’s Big12 vote isn’t to invite schools. Quote Tweets. They could very well join the four south schools in the B12… until the B1G change their mind. It was $24. ”See new Tweets. MHver3 on Twitter: "So just to recap the West Coast Spin: PAC has drawn up their GOR mimicking the newest revision to the ACC payout schedule and schools are ready to sign just as soon as they see the money? And Also AZ President had no idea this document was created? Ok. @MHver3. 2:52 PM · Jul 4, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. 8 of them are Power5 schools located west of Texas. They are content to sit at 16 and wait out Notre Dame. ”“Lots of tidbits and rumors pouring in today. @bobtrollsby. @MHver3. @MHver3 This is the case with any conference not named SEC. Might Washington and Oregon be making the same offer? 🍎 😂 😂 😂. GOR have teeth even for powerful schools. 239. ”“Going by remarks made at Pac12 media days by Oregon its looking like they are leaning into to shorter term offer from espn and unequal revenue sharing. 11. Previous offer for 24. Half of that is what espn wants to buy for the B12 network. They're all signing a shorter GoR, it's not so much giving up as letting the landscape settle and use the time to build their. I’ve got news but can’t leak it yet. That’s all I’ve got. @MHver3. 13. If acc gets it first then B12 may have no need for further expansion at this time outside of maybe the AZ schools (because there is value in those markets) MHver3 @MHver3 GK is currently trying to Frankenstein a mess of a deal with ESPN getting 1 FB game per week at about $5m per game and 3 BB games per week at about $1m per week. Also heard from a source today that someone in Colorado leadership told B12 that if Apple was going to save the Pac12 it would’ve been announced today…My source (who is talking to an AD at a pac school) says the deal with Espn/Amazon is worth $220m a year. ”“B1G without a Notre Dame addition has reached the point of diminishing returns. I’m packing it up. By my count there are 3 "Yes" teams in the ACC and 3 "Maybe" teams. Fox already approved pro-rata for both. I’d prefer B12 waits for eventual ACC poaching and go and get our old BIgEast mates. ”“Expansion committee presented a lot of info to Bowlsby and Yormark. 159. @MHver3 CU board is in lockstep to pursue B12 membership if GK doesn’t come through with promised deal by June 30th…. AZ has not been completely vetted like the other two but since they are current P5 B12 would get Prorata. (I’m on a mini vacation right now so I haven’t been doing a lot of talking with him the past few days). “Utah hasn’t withdrawn their application but they do seem less urgent and seem to be teetering. “And hearing that Washington State, Oregon State, and Cal have reached out to the Mountain West to talk about a landing spot. 22 Feb 2023 21:50:26Reposting this again at the request of my source with alternate phrasing: Colorado board will meet Monday to informally poll where votes would lie for leaving PAC. In person. 10:09 PM · Jul 26, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. Sources from Colorado are telling B12 contacts that no deal is being presented tomorrow. ”That scenario was floated by Fox. Louis Oliverio. “And hearing that Washington State, Oregon State, and Cal have reached out to the Mountain West to talk about a landing spot. 7. Someone mentioned the Saudis last night on here-might be a good option. ”“@MHver3 @TGBN1997 Let's just say for some reason any combination of 3 of the 4 corner schools join the Big 12 and say Utah, Oregon, Washington hold out for greener pastures, dose Memphis or Boise stand a chance of being the 4th add in that round or does the big 12 stand pat and wait for more moves”Log in. Replying to @MHver3. Retweets. @MHver3 So if B1G Stops, then it seems the most likely outcome is the B12 raids the remaining members. 7. @KStateKyle. ALT. 131. Up to 75% would be streaming. ”“@BroncoJ415 @MrSamStone3 There’s a lot of things on the table. 23. AZ has and AZSU problem. AZ has and AZSU problem. 21. @MHver3. Replying to. It was $24. @MHver3 Big12 is possibly only eyeing 4 of the 6 to stop at 16 for now. UConn and Nova have proven you can win NCAA titles from the Big East. 2:24 AM · Jul 3, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. I simply share and have a golden reputation of never giving up sources. ”ACC again proposed an aggressive expansion to 20 teams and has been talking with OR/WA/Stanford/and Cal. This helps justify the pro-rata increase for 8 teams. Also learning that Stanford has told B10 they will join for a drastically reduced cut of the tv money. “@RChalk94 But Washington and Oregon add $60+ million per year apiece to a tv deal when you look at the data” “As I type this the Arizona schools are discussing exit strategy and AZ is making their case for autonomy to decide conference affiliation (in case they are the only one that gets an invite). Evening tidbit: as of today’s meeting BY had with networks, any combination of 4 of the following schools (all sports) will be acceptable for ESPN and FOX to pay. “Hearing BY is meeting with a school president from that conference on the pacific coast. Possibly 3 east coast teams as well but those 3 are not as far along as the zags are. Would the B12 take them?”Sources telling me B12 plans to extend acceptance to Gonzaga following the NCAA tournament. 5 billion a year with their next contract (and BTN) and will now wait and watch the landscape. Again they did not have 8 yes votes for either school. and @Mountaineer_Ste. Sign up“So my new source just told me some of the terms to NDs offer to the ACC: 7 conference games a year with 4 of them home games, 1st choice scheduling, not signing the GOR for football, and something to do with eliminating the exit fee from the charter. Things have escalated. ”“@tsaundry13 @CFBKnights The tv deal plus accn money is about $31m per school. Retweets. ”“Also telling that PAC12 is saying they are waiting for B10 contract to close before they “know anything”. ”“@GibeiiBrewsong @USAdebtcrisis I say 6 are leaving but ORWA will try to keep them all together under the ridiculous uneven revenue sharing model espn is pushing but that will not sit with the 4 corners schools and they will bolt which will lead to ORWA bolting as well. Knight felt it was the best outcome for Oregon and the PAC with no B1G offer coming. Sign up“I’ve got a pretty big scoop to share that I’ve been sitting on for a few days. Even an Oregon and a Washington together don’t increase the pie enough to bring up the per school payout. @MHver3. Likes. If it takes their exit for Cal, Stan, Utah,. 33. Temporarily making my account public just to help get my info out for whomever may want to read. @cwishn. I have nothing to gain-no monetization, no click bait links, no podcast. 11:57 PM · Apr 17, 2023 @MHver3 Question for conversation: This Century-Has there been any case where after switching from one BCS/P5 league to another that a school has seen better success on the field? Miami, VT, Neb, Mizzou, Colorado, WVU, Louisville, have all fallen off the map since their moves. This person isn’t a high level employee and I’ve verified they are who they say they are. No vote-just the general consensus during a call I’m told. Likes. PAC will just expand with lesser brands and pay those schools peanuts to feed ORWA more for the duration of the next deal and then maybe B10 will come calling. Posted on 37 mins, V I P, User Since 8 months ago, User Post Count: 670. There. To read this post and more, One Month for Only $1. ”The apple deal would see apple absorb the production costs of all the games and give them the option to sub lease games to other networks and split additional revenues with the conference. The BIG12 would be stupid to go. FSU is the most attractive maybe. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. ”Some drips of info hitting the bucket. He’s also telling me the big catch with the apple deal would be research grants to member schools-an area apple has been historically lagging behind other tech companies. Yormark has a vision. PAC is in an exclusive window with the 2 main networks bidding on B10 that expires next week. Once the ACC declines the ridiculous terms of the offer ND is free to pursue other options. What I’m hearing on PAC media deal (or lack thereof) from a B12 source based on B12 talks with a PAC school. Replying to @Tomkatf14. I’ve also heard that Pac12 may not have enough yes votes from members to add SDSU and SMU. ”Log in. Do you prefer to move to the B10 for the money that you really don’t need with Phil Knight’s checkbook-where you will play 2nd fiddle to many? Or do you prefer becoming the top dog in the B12 conference?”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. More interesting news is that OR and UW may not be a shoe-in for the B1G. It’s to actively pursue expansion and re-form the expansion committee. @MHver3 Jul 27, 2022 Media consultants don’t think we can get revenue positive (from current projections) adding all 4 corners schools unless there is a bidding war. St Johns has trouble competing in the Big East and would be over their head in the Big 12. Log in. ”Just heard from a source that Oregon has reached out to the B12 about potential membership with the condition they have a negotiated out of the GOR if the B10 comes calling. 2. ”“@DeathrowDerham They want first pick of the top game weekly, best out of conference games not beholden to the other schools tv contract, conference championship game football, and first choice basketball. @xtmountain. 1 — and for No. Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and one other might be. @MHver3. MHver3. @MHver3. ”“So ESPN takes more games than the current contractual obligation and uses them in the late window. The other $5m is from a variety of different T3 revenue streams. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Retweets. “Morning tidbits: Fox is done with Pac12 as an entity and has no plans to even bid on a new tv contract. Replying to. It’s not the B12s fault that we see an opportunity to strengthen ourselves now. 9. MHver3 on Twitter: "@StevO_1960 It’s in the ESPN contract. I just wish I could get some info from the PAC but that has dried up the past few days. That’s it. Murky version is: ducks are in a row but the can is getting kicked down the road. ”What did I tell you? No new movement to share with PAC presidents. U conn not make this stuff up!New development to share: 2 PAC presidents plan to call for a vote of no confidence in GK at next weeks meeting. @MHver3. MHver3 @MHver3. 5m. Feb 21. 6. An olive branch was extended by GK to BY with terms that favor B12 this time. 06 Mar 2023 18:13:11Log in. Log in. Could also mean NBC/B12 won’t happen. $120m from Amazon/$100m espn. “Just wanted to pop in and drop off some WVU related info. #PACinShambles”“ACC hoped that by getting Stanford it would compel ND to join. MHver3. $120m from Amazon/$100m espn. 21 Feb 2023 23:32:48 Feb 24. Boise State is making a lot of noise wanting B12 to reopen their application. The other two have been flirting with B12 for years and few they are a better fit with B12 in culture and philosophy. ” Confirming through my B12 contacts that according to what has been shared between BY and a few PAC presidents that CW and ION are indeed in talks for PAC12 broadcasting rights. Evening tidbit: as of today’s meeting BY had with networks, any combination of 4 of the following schools (all sports) will be acceptable for ESPN and FOX to pay. @MHver3 If B10 is still shopping then that means NBC is getting aggressive with trying to get in on their contract and it’s driving $ higher. ESPN pro-rata is a given. 19 Feb 2023 01:05:52We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. @MHver3 17h Amazon only wants the top game every week fb and bb from the PAC12 and is offering $100m a year for 2 years with an option for 2 more years and a review of the terms if the viewership is there. ”Notre Dame is not a factor. ”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 02 Jun 2023 22:14:16. Sign upFwiw I’m hearing the ION Tv thing was a red herring fed to McMurphy and Kliavkoff is only a few days away from having 2 final proposals in hand to take to his schools for voting. “Boise State making their case for inclusion into the B12. ”MHver3 on Twitter: "CU and AZ are NOT worried about exposure by joining B12 as most if their games would be lye window games so that report is most likely coming from Utah or AZSU. ”Gonna have envoys from the Rockies and the desert here at the B12 meetings in West-by-God Virginia. “Also as part of this deal ESPN would pay Oregon and Washington an additional $15 million per year for the trade off of playing 2 ACC teams per year. MHver3. They are looking at 1. And they all already know the current numbers. So not just a. Again they did not have 8 yes votes for either school. Also my Mountaineers are pretty terrible this year too lol. Feel like FSU is the most vocal because they are the most edge case in the ACC. Washington has now reached out to the B12 about membership options that include an out of the GOR for B10 membership. We’ve seen lots of tweets from reputable sources, but I’ve also seen a lot of interesting rumors from MHver3 on Twitter . The desire of B10 is to bring both Washington and Oregon into the fold but Fox is balking at overpaying for both west coast schools considering the actual value they bring. Clash of Champioms “Bowl” (more on that in next tweet””MHver3 @MHver3. 2. Would help them reclaim partially, a soon to be lost market, and actually aligns very well culturally with PAC. Would need to probably add 6. I actually don’t want more western schools. ” The latest tweets from @MHver3@MHver3 It is expected that tonight, Az and CU leadership will officially sign off on moving forward with officially applying for membership with Big12. “And then the Tier 3 which would see PAC12N move to Apple with all the rest of the total sports content for about $40m per year”Less than $200m currently. FOX would be on board for heavily discounted PAC programming but we aren’t there just yet. I’m being told there will be a Big12 meeting that evening that could potentially have huge ramifications for the Big12 and the college sports landscape in general. Meanwhile ND maneuvered their way to a sweetheart deal with ACC and was able to leave the faltering BIgEast. You’re unable to view this Tweet because this account owner limits who can view their Tweets. Utah athletic director Mark Harlan needs just four words to disarm the Arizona-to-Big 12 narrative. CBS and NBC expected to be huge players for the next B12 contract in addition to ESPN and Fox” MHver3 @MHver3 One final tidbit this afternoon:PAC is currently trying to be as attractive as they can while they see what their media rights could be if they stayed together. By my count there are 3 "Yes" teams in the ACC and 3 "Maybe" teams. ”Log in. And CFP is going to probably double for everyone soon. ” ACC again proposed an aggressive expansion to 20 teams and has been talking with OR/WA/Stanford/and Cal. Likes. Conversation“Very risky for PAC to walk from what espn was offering but desperate times…”“@bigg_t08 I don’t want to predict anything about what the final offer will be because so much can change. 18 Mar 2023 01:39:09“@PAULHAR16697272 It’s a long story but he held up B12 expanding with FSU and Clemson because he swore he had Notre Dame in the hook to join as well (being friends with Swarbrick). I don’t hate the PAC. We don’t have the endowment they have. ”“@MHver3 If UA and CU aren't stepping up to the plate and contributing their fair $$$ share to the PAC, it's hard to see how they'll suddenly become valuable assets for the Big 12. Miguel. The ESPN offer wasn’t $25m per school. “And what’s interesting as well is my B1G source is telling me if ND decides to join B1G then Stanford is the desired partner to come with ND and they will stop there for possibly forever. That’s it. And GK. Replying to @MHver3. MHver3 @MHver3. I don’t think that’s an option for us. Ed. As well as ESPN about triggering the reopening of their contract in the event of additions. 12:57 PM · Jul 27, 2021 · Twitter for iPhone Sorry for deleting the previous tweet. Replying to. (Ralph Freso / Associated Press) Sources say preliminary talks have started on a merger between San Diego State’s current conference and the Pac-12, which is in. Hearing that GK is telling some of the PAC presidents that he may not have any new developments in the tv negotiations to present at next weeks meeting. Not sure what’s going on there yet-just hearing preliminary info-but hearing it from multiple sources. “Let tidbit of the evening: Big12 currently has 20 schools in contact with them regarding membership discussions in various phases of progression. One feels they were sold a false bill of goods when they joined. Sign upSee new Tweets. USC and UCLA moved the needle a lot. I have heard that if WA and OR stay that that could possibly keep Stanford and Cal in the fold-I’ve also heard Stanford is very close to going Indy. “Looks like we have a new ESPN offer for PAC12. Air Force and Colorado State have also been in contact with Kliavkoff. 11:22 PM · Jul 20, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. @MHver3. read image description. Houston and BYU applications are in. MHver3, a Twitter user who posts controversial and speculative tweets about college football, claims that BYU and Houston are the initial targets for the Big 12's. And they all already know the current numbers. “Thank you to everyone for your words of support as my family deals with the loss of a very close loved one. @MHver3. My source can confirm Colorado is. “So this was considered sensitive info for awhile but the silence of these 2 universities is about to be over. Found. 19. Their fans are this nasty-imagine how bad it is between the schools right now. 1. ”Also hearing TCU and Texas Tech plan on pulling out of games scheduled with Oregon and Stanford if Pac12 goes all streaming out of visibility concerns for the pac owned games. Clash of Champioms “Bowl” (more on that in next tweet”” “@flugempire @YouTube The numbers are not where the presidents want them. ”“@HazzardCoEng Would be a fun league but splitting that tv pie 24 ways would have us in the same boat as pac12. Guess the state of AZ to BIG12 has died down though. MHver3 @MHver3. $320m per year for 12 years. Gonzaga better fit for Pac. ”“@ChrisRPhillips B10 dreams for Oregon and Washington left and went to the Bears in Chicago. The third is a big market school with a great history that has underperformed in recent years. 2:49 AM · Jul 19, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. ” MHver3 @MHver3. 10:33 PM · Sep 7, 2021 · Twitter for iPhone. As the Pac-12 deals with losing UCLA and USC to the Big Ten and the Big 12 explores a raid on the Pac-12, audience data can be instructive. Appx $75m per year. Quote. Staples: The realignment battle for No. This is the “Tier1” package. I’ll update as I get more info. The other 6 split the remaining 40% equally. It got nasty from what I’ve been told. one president is telling B12 contacts that there is a feeling GK will ask for an extension on the 4/15 deadline We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Tomorrows another day!”This merger would trigger pro-rata for espn contract and allow fox to reopen their contract-Amazon could be a part of this as well from what I’m hearing. 5m was for 6 years” @MHver3 I’m hearing that Kliavkoff has plans to visit UNLV, Fresno St, and Boise St over the next few weeks. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. @MHver3. ”“@SHUWalshgym They’d only need to share about 7-8m per each of the 4 schools. Talks are indeed dead for a merger. 2. Likes. If B10 is still shopping then that means NBC is getting aggressive with trying to get in on their contract and it’s driving $ higher. If you start to hear reports of a PAC media offer for $25-28m per school trickle out keep a couple of things in mind: 14 Mar 2023 14:40:40@MHver3 · 1h. “@BobOThomson Yes. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. and. Eerily similar to communications the BIgEast put out just before it’s demise right before Pitt/Cuse/WVU/Rutgers/Louisville bolted. Someone mentioned the Saudis last night on here-might be a good. “Let tidbit of the evening: Big12 currently has 20 schools in contact with them regarding membership discussions in various phases of progression. I said AAC (not ACC) invited PAC members. Gonna say it again for everyone in the back playing with graphs and charts on Excel: Fox has already approved pro rata for the B12 to add specific teams so they will not get “only $20m” they will get the full share. 4 PAC schools plus Kliavkoff pushed for the conference to take the ESPN money and the other 6 schools refused. 3. bob trollsby. Factions have formed. Most recent figure I’ve heard for Pac12 is just south of $20m per year per school after broadcasting expenses are covered in house. @MHver3. Huge mistake. ” @MHver3 Jul 22 How BIgEast conference’s demise as a power conference is playing a role in Big12’s current thought process regarding expansion, tv contract, and GOR. 4. @MHver3 FWIW my sources are telling me that FOX is NOT actively negotiating with PAC. 251. Too many lower tier schools in ACC that won’t have a home if that conference blows up. Could also mean ND is rethinking. At least for the next 6-8 years. We currently get about $4m for that same content. ”“The first show to drop was Notre Dame and NBC and the whole “shoulder programming” proposal. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Apologize in advance for spelling or grammatical errors-glasses are off and I’m squinting in the dark. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. No football home for Uconn in exchange either. 17. Shouldn’t be an issue since these are not revenue sports. Got a PAC update. A playoff appearance by OKST or Baylor or KSU would change the calculus quite a bit. ”@MHver3 I don't know what the rumors are you're talking about, but it's pretty simple. ” “@BroncoJ415 @MrSamStone3 There’s a lot of things on the table. Oils be basketball/Olympic only additions before that happens though. Army/Navy make the most sense from a. yes they are extending his “deadline”. But it’s looking like B12 needs to make the next move. Amazon gets more first choice. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Sign upAt this point there’s probably more votes of no confidence for Kliavkoff than there are yes votes for SDSU. ” March 7th. AZ too. Tweet about Oregon and Washington 1,843 Views | 20 Replies | Last: 3 mo ago by historian ScottS 2:44p, 7/27/23 Breaking from my source: Oregon and. and @Mountaineer_Ste. Interestingly enough there is another school in these discussions with Boise that is interested in joining just Olympic sports…”“@tsaundry13 You’ve convinced me.